Comments on: Walking in the Cold http://isocrates.us/bike/2010/02/walking-in-the-cold/ Getting Around on Two Wheels and Two Feet Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:08:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Kevin Love http://isocrates.us/bike/2010/02/walking-in-the-cold/comment-page-1/#comment-5560 Kevin Love Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:25:23 +0000 http://isocrates.us/bike/?p=2312#comment-5560 Andy wrote: "So while it may be true that most people who walk are economically-challenged, it is not true that most who are so challenged do or can walk to work." Kevin's comment: I don't consider someone who is so wealthy that they can afford to own and operate a car to be "economically challenged." Which I presume is a euphemism for "poor." And someone who is so wealthy that they can afford to own and operate a car is not poor. Andy wrote:
“So while it may be true that most people who walk are economically-challenged, it is not true that most who are so challenged do or can walk to work.”

Kevin’s comment:
I don’t consider someone who is so wealthy that they can afford to own and operate a car to be “economically challenged.” Which I presume is a euphemism for “poor.”

And someone who is so wealthy that they can afford to own and operate a car is not poor.

]]> By: MamaVee http://isocrates.us/bike/2010/02/walking-in-the-cold/comment-page-1/#comment-5555 MamaVee Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:25:08 +0000 http://isocrates.us/bike/?p=2312#comment-5555 I mean opt for NOT using the car.... will now shut up!! I mean opt for NOT using the car….

will now shut up!!

]]> By: MamaVee http://isocrates.us/bike/2010/02/walking-in-the-cold/comment-page-1/#comment-5554 MamaVee Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:24:36 +0000 http://isocrates.us/bike/?p=2312#comment-5554 ( oh I forgot to mention the fact that to take the bus or train combo will take me about 90mins. If I were to drive it would take me 20 mins. - no one is going to opt for the car with these differences. I do b/c I hate driving more. ) ( oh I forgot to mention the fact that to take the bus or train combo will take me about 90mins. If I were to drive it would take me 20 mins. – no one is going to opt for the car with these differences. I do b/c I hate driving more. )

]]> By: MamaVee http://isocrates.us/bike/2010/02/walking-in-the-cold/comment-page-1/#comment-5553 MamaVee Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:21:19 +0000 http://isocrates.us/bike/?p=2312#comment-5553 what Kerri said. I'm the biggest "city life" proponent, but life sometimes brings compromises and to work with my spouse's desires we are in the suburbs. Now that I'm here, I like it actually. I enjoy a garden and yard, I enjoy a town lake to swim in and schools within walkable distances and being near the river that freezes and is ice skatable. All things I would not have in the city ( except maybe schools but I'd likely outsource schools ). What I need to make living hear even better is Better public transportation. I am 15 min walk from a commuter rail that takes me into downtown Boston. Hoorray- except tonight I am planning on going to the other side of Boston. I would love to take commuter rail into town- switch for a subway and be where I need to be. However the Commuter Rail runs to take people OUT of boston in the evening thus the inbound train DOES NOT stop at my stop from 2-8pm. So I will need to use a route that will take twice as long ( either long subway into city and then switch to out, or slow bus making semi circle around city.) what Kerri said. I’m the biggest “city life” proponent, but life sometimes brings compromises and to work with my spouse’s desires we are in the suburbs. Now that I’m here, I like it actually. I enjoy a garden and yard, I enjoy a town lake to swim in and schools within walkable distances and being near the river that freezes and is ice skatable. All things I would not have in the city ( except maybe schools but I’d likely outsource schools ). What I need to make living hear even better is Better public transportation. I am 15 min walk from a commuter rail that takes me into downtown Boston. Hoorray- except tonight I am planning on going to the other side of Boston. I would love to take commuter rail into town- switch for a subway and be where I need to be. However the Commuter Rail runs to take people OUT of boston in the evening thus the inbound train DOES NOT stop at my stop from 2-8pm. So I will need to use a route that will take twice as long ( either long subway into city and then switch to out, or slow bus making semi circle around city.)

]]> By: Andy Cline http://isocrates.us/bike/2010/02/walking-in-the-cold/comment-page-1/#comment-5552 Andy Cline Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:27:45 +0000 http://isocrates.us/bike/?p=2312#comment-5552 Kevin... Much could depend on the demographic map of an area. In Springfield, for example, 57% of the workforce work at hourly-wage jobs that pay between 4% and 29% below the national average. Most of these folks live in the N, NW, and W sections of town. Most of the big employers are in the SE section of town. Commute times, according the the U.S. census, are 25+ minutes for people in the NW section (the poorest). Further, the census shows that roughly 4% of commuters here get to work by foot or bicycle. So while it may be true that most people who walk are economically-challenged, it is not true that most who are so challenged do or can walk to work. And that's the problem. Many of them don't have the choice. I have a hard time wagging a moral finger at a guy making minimum wage who lives in a ratty apartment 20 miles from work. Kevin… Much could depend on the demographic map of an area. In Springfield, for example, 57% of the workforce work at hourly-wage jobs that pay between 4% and 29% below the national average. Most of these folks live in the N, NW, and W sections of town. Most of the big employers are in the SE section of town. Commute times, according the the U.S. census, are 25+ minutes for people in the NW section (the poorest). Further, the census shows that roughly 4% of commuters here get to work by foot or bicycle. So while it may be true that most people who walk are economically-challenged, it is not true that most who are so challenged do or can walk to work. And that’s the problem. Many of them don’t have the choice. I have a hard time wagging a moral finger at a guy making minimum wage who lives in a ratty apartment 20 miles from work.

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