Comments on: Deep Thought http://isocrates.us/bike/2009/09/deep-thought/ Getting Around on Two Wheels and Two Feet Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:46:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kevin Love http://isocrates.us/bike/2009/09/deep-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-4668 Kevin Love Sun, 06 Sep 2009 01:21:50 +0000 http://isocrates.us/bike/?p=1731#comment-4668 Stop signs are very rare in The Netherlands. For a very good reason. Meanwhile, here in Toronto, the local police quite openly say that they are OK with Idaho Stops and will only go after cyclists that go through intersections unsafely. See: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/690848 Stop signs are very rare in The Netherlands. For a very good reason.

Meanwhile, here in Toronto, the local police quite openly say that they are OK with Idaho Stops and will only go after cyclists that go through intersections unsafely. See:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/690848

]]> By: Eliot http://isocrates.us/bike/2009/09/deep-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-4665 Eliot Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:50:13 +0000 http://isocrates.us/bike/?p=1731#comment-4665 One word: roundabouts! One word: roundabouts!

]]> By: Keri http://isocrates.us/bike/2009/09/deep-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-4662 Keri Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:17:13 +0000 http://isocrates.us/bike/?p=1731#comment-4662 Mionske is on this, too. http://bicycling.com/blogs/roadrights/2009/09/01/making-better-laws/ Serge's comment there is spot-on. The real battle should be to end the practice of gratuitous stop sign placement and re-institute the use of APPROPRIATE TCDs. Yield signs should replace the majority of stop signs in this country. The majority of road users treat stop signs as yield signs because that is exactly what they should be. Rather than risking eroding bicyclist equality with special treatment, we should attack the core problem. If we care about clean air and fuel efficiency, the stop sign problem has a greater social cost for being inflicted on motorized vehicles. And using stop signs as traffic calming devices is an adventure in missing the point. Mionske is on this, too.

http://bicycling.com/blogs/roadrights/2009/09/01/making-better-laws/

Serge’s comment there is spot-on.

The real battle should be to end the practice of gratuitous stop sign placement and re-institute the use of APPROPRIATE TCDs. Yield signs should replace the majority of stop signs in this country.

The majority of road users treat stop signs as yield signs because that is exactly what they should be.

Rather than risking eroding bicyclist equality with special treatment, we should attack the core problem.

If we care about clean air and fuel efficiency, the stop sign problem has a greater social cost for being inflicted on motorized vehicles. And using stop signs as traffic calming devices is an adventure in missing the point.

]]> By: Steve A http://isocrates.us/bike/2009/09/deep-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-4661 Steve A Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:51:13 +0000 http://isocrates.us/bike/?p=1731#comment-4661 As in like maybe getting RID of the stop signs, and most of the other traffic control devices in "Shared Spaces" implementations? (As in the linked URL) As in like maybe getting RID of the stop signs, and most of the other traffic control devices in “Shared Spaces” implementations?

(As in the linked URL)

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